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Old 05/11/2017, 05:37 PM   #1
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Anemone for a mixed reef?

Iím currently shopping for a pair of clowns for my tank and would like to provide an anemone that might host them. Because I want to preserve the peace in a community tank I am limiting my clown choice to a version of ocellaris. I have looked at the sticky of what nem host which clown, and none of the natural hosts for ocellaris seem like a good fit for a smaller mixed reef.

So Iím seeking advice on how, or even if I can, make this work. A BTA or LTA seem like they might be options but certainly are not guaranteed to host. Whatís my best plan?

The tank is a 46 gal bow front with about 25 gal sump/refugium, been running and stable for about 8 years now. Flow is good with about 800 gal through the return and two RW-8s. Lighting is just OK with two 150 HQI MH and two 96w PC actinic. Current inhabitants include; Coral Beauty, Royal Gramma, Starry Blenny, Pin Cushion Urchin and various snails and hermits. Recent picture below.


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Old 05/11/2017, 07:06 PM   #2
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There is a reason bta's are so popular. That is the only anemone I'd put in a tank that small.


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Old 05/11/2017, 07:49 PM   #3
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I'd go with a martens ...........kidding, rose BTA.


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Old 05/11/2017, 07:56 PM   #4
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lots of people do it, BTA sting but imo are a better option for small tank (sting not as potent) they are however nutty... mine moves a few inches throughout the day, has been doing it since being in my tank. I keep things off its rock and things all go well... make sure you protect powerheads though... don't want one getting in there


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Old 05/12/2017, 09:10 AM   #5
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So the BTA is the clear choice, excellent.

Will my lighting be an issue? My plan will be to relocate the toadstool and place the nem on the solo rock to the right.


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Old 05/12/2017, 09:19 AM   #6
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Lighting should be fine, the anemone will relocate to wherever it wants to be. Make sure to cover powerheads, some use foam, I made plastic screen covers for mine to help eliminate build up and the need to rinse foam covers all the time. Good luck. Also, shut powerheads off for a little while when you introduce the anemone into the tank, this will assist in allowing it to attach. Once it is attached, slowly build the flow back up. If the anemone is being shipped to you, you may want to acclimate it to your lights using screen or something similar to dim the light. Shipped ones can be in a low light situation for a while causing sensitivity to the high lighting initially. If it's coming from your lfs it should already be under lighting and good to go.



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Old 05/12/2017, 12:43 PM   #7
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I get that nems are rebels and wont be told where to live, but is it going to destroy my other coral on its quest for its happy place?


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Old 05/12/2017, 12:51 PM   #8
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Old 05/12/2017, 04:22 PM   #9
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I would get a H. malu for that tank. Malu will host Ocellaris or Percula, stay on the sand and get max size of about 6-8 inches. Perfect anemone for small reef tank.


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Old 05/13/2017, 05:16 PM   #10
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I would get a H. malu for that tank. Malu will host Ocellaris or Percula, stay on the sand and get max size of about 6-8 inches. Perfect anemone for small reef tank.
I agree. Malu is one of my favorites. They come in some really nice colors too.


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Old 05/13/2017, 08:38 PM   #11
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I get that nems are rebels and wont be told where to live, but is it going to destroy my other coral on its quest for its happy place?
Who knows? There are no guarantees.

Some corals will just sluff off a nem running across them, others may be affected.
RTBA's are quite innocuous, that is, they are not very dangerous to corals for the most part.


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mine rbta set up shop on a neon green motni cap for a few days... all said and done.. no ill effect on the monti... frogspawn seemed careless too


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Old 06/16/2017, 12:45 PM   #13
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Update...

I found two of the cutest da Vinci clowns and a small BTA, all seem to be doing well. Short video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz9u4JctLPw

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Update...

I found two of the cutest da Vinci clowns and a small BTA, all seem to be doing well. Short video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz9u4JctLPw

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I'd try to feed that anemone small foods often to get it to put on some size. Those clowns could really stress out an anemone that is so small. I agree that a Malu or even a couple malu's would have been a better choice. They don't really move around like BTAs do.


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Old 06/19/2017, 12:00 PM   #15
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I have been feeding nem weekly (mysis), and it seems to take the food well.

So far the nem seems to be tolerating the clowns well, but it does close up after lights out and remains fairly small until the lights come on the next day, is this normal for a BTA? It has not moved much, it has settled in below a ledge in the rock right at the sand line. My lighting is not that strong and I kind of expected it t move up the rock toward the light.

I would consider a Malu but I don't think I have enough light, at least not at the sand bed.

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Old 06/19/2017, 03:05 PM   #16
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Malu do not need a ton of light, not compared to most others, and their size and sand dwelling do make them a pretty good option.

As to the comment on corals and nems, very few corals can handle their sting, usually not the ones most want, xenia, gsp are the only 2 off the top of my head that seem to tolerate or deal w/ nem stings


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Old 06/19/2017, 03:53 PM   #17
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Bta is a good choice its more common and wont break the bank you should get a bta clone (aqua cultured) they they have a much better chance of surviving
Btas like rock holes to Settle in so give it a hole when u set it and if nothing bothers it, it will stay there
lighting and flow is a given


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I think BTA's are actually one of the worst choices for a mixed, they just wander too much and crawl all over rock work as they do, and that often means crawling over, stinging and killing all corals in their path.

I'll never do a BTA in a mixed reef again personally.


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Also beware of BTAs splitting. You could start with one and end up with many which may not be easy to remove.


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If u want to keep mix reef. I would not get BTA at all. One day u will end up moving all ur rock to take one out.


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I have several clowns and would love to have a BTA but my LFS advised me against it since I have corals due to them crawling over corals and damaging them.


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I won't get on the "don't get a BTA" bandwagon. I love mine and recommend them. Mine is pretty damn big for my tank (32 gallon), but it's doing really well. Mine has its own rock and retreats to the cave at night (normal behavior) and it's like clockwork... She never goes anywhere else. In the beginning when she was settling in, she was all about and yes, would touch corals. Easy... Just move them and do so within three days. Just brushing up against a coral won't damage the coral, only if you leave it there for a long time (talking a week). SO... I think you will be happy with your choice, especially when it gets bigger and settles in. Those clowns are beautiful by the way!!! Here's a picture of mine to reference what I'm talking about. Congrats on your newest additions!

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Old 07/06/2017, 12:47 AM   #23
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My experience with bta's, and I have several in my mixed reef, they will move when unhappy and stay in place once settled...until they split. The smaller will usually move around. They affect some corals while adventuring (my stylo sustained a burn on its lower branches once) but they do not affect others. Best anemone for clownfish and one should be fine in a smaller tank. Hardy and pretty.




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What do you guys feel about the rock/flower anemone? Are they on the safer side for a reef? Do they have potential to host clowns?


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Rock anemones don't host

Personally i have 3 btas and a sabea (my clowns only host the sabea)
The things you learn once you have a anemone for example, btas will only move if they are uncomfortable (and maybe when they split which is not often at all) so depending on where you get it (if you buy it from a fellow reefer (very recommended) and your lighting is simular then setting it in a rock crevice will be enough) (if you buy it online or a lfs (not so recommend ) then it will move to shade in the beginning then slowly come out),
I love how some people make them sound like big giants that will trample your whole reef and kill all your corals this is so far from the truth, as someone mentioned before you will only kill corals if its touching it for a couple days, just keep a eye on it and the only issue you may have is if selects a cave/ledge and it retreats into the cave for some shade and you have a coral on top of that ledge (you will have to move that coral so it doesn't get stung)
They do not like flat surfaces they like crevices and ledges/caves,
I don't recommend you buying it from a lfs or online (except maybe maybe divers den) because anemones can easily be damaged either the foot or dying online you never know what your getting and lfs usually have sic stuff (in my area thats how it is for years i learned the best way is online or a fellow reefer that is active in the hobby not shutting down a tank) only really experienced reefers can take care of them (in separate systems with medication etc) if a anemone is sic or looks even a little bad DO NOT PUT IT IN YOUR TANK give it away or whatever, it will most probably die and not so good for your tank,
If they do die they won't nuke your system (so fast) you will see it dying over 2-3 days, you just need to pull it out before it decays and floats all over your tank

Getting a anemone off a rock is easy but like catching a fish or anything in our tanks it takes patience, with a anemone you bother it until it lets go, if its new it will let go in a couple of minutes, if its settled it may take a couple of hours or days of bothering it randomly


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